for his own purposes. solo knew nothing about this. >> do you see commonalities between a crook like dreier versus other crooks you've covered? what's the motivation? what do you take away? >> i've met a lot of these other criminals, spent time with them, not like this, but the commonality is the ego. it's not so much the things, these extravagances. it's the fight. it's sort of elevating themselves. they're just always, again, in denial until the end. >> he used to say to you, marc -- pardon me. he used to say, you'll never be me, simon, you'll never be me. >> when i would show up at his yacht or house in the hamptons for functions, you know, you're familiar as a lawyer what other lawyers make. he lived such a grandiose lifestyle it didn't make sense. i would say, marc, i'm working hard, i'm working really hard. how do i do this? he said, simon, you'll never be me, you'll never be me. >> unbelievable.